MinusCar T-shirt wearer Dan Traube over at A Payne Hollow Visit
propped up The MinusCar Project from his blog
last week and some excellent discussion occurred in his comments. In lieu of a real post I offer and highly recommend your perusal of his post and it's comments...of which I have added my own. If he sees fit to post it.
Any church recommendations for Sioux Falls minuscarites? Great post.
Heh heh. How does yours do?
Thanks for the link to the link about you!
On the topic of the first comment, I'm curious: What sort of church do you attend, Mr. M?
I have been to The Crossing. I was very excited to hear they will be offering a new service in the center of town so I don't have to drive 7 miles to attend.
Mr. M (assuming you mean me) goes almost exclusively to Christian churches.
Let me be so bold as to once again add my often unpopular opinion: When I have time, I do read different posts and I must say you lead me down some interesting paths in the blogosphere.
I want to make a point that seemed very pertinent to the conversation, but I actually happened upon it during devotions yesterday, before reading dan's posts on "not my child" Many times God speaks to us, only for us to find its relevance later. He knows our path before we even think of walking it.
The following is a challenge for us to avoid being "non-offensive" or 'fundamentalist' (what a nasty newspeak connotation that term has taken on recently...) It is from the wonderful devotional "My Utmost for His Highest" by Oswald Chambers, from January 11:
"What My Obedience to God Costs Other People...'As they led Him away they laid hold of a certain man Simon...and on him they laid the cross that he might bear it after Jesus' (Luke 23:26)
"If we obey God, it is going to cost other people more than it costs us, and that is where the pain begins. If we are in love with our Lord, obedience does not cost us anything - it is a delight. But to those who do not love Him, our obedience does cost a great deal. If we obey God, it will mean that other people's plans are upset. They will ridicule us as if to say, "You call this Christianity?" We could prevent the suffering, but not if we are obedient to God. We must let the cost be paid.
When our obedience begins to cost others. our human pride entrenches itself and we say, "I will never accept anything from anyone." But we must, or disobey God. We have no right to think that the type of relationships we have with others should be any different from thoe the Lord Himself had (see Luke 8:1-3)
A lack of progress in our spiritual life results when we try to bear all the costs ourselves. And actually, we cannot. Because we are so involved in the universal purposes of God, others are immediately affected by our obedience to Him. Will we remain faithful in our obedience to God and be willing to suffer the humiliation of refusing to be independent? Or will we do just the opposite and say, "I will not cause other people to suffer?" We can disobey God if we choose, and it will being immediate relief to the situation, but it will grieve our Lord. If, however, we obey God, He will care fo those who have suffered the consequences of our obedience. We must simply obey and leave all the consequences with Him.
Beware of the inclination to dictate to God what consequences you would allow as a condition of your obedein ce to Him."
I will not presume to translate this to your heart, but for me it meant being bold for God in a world that is just as content to be lukewarm.
Yeah. Where does Mr. M church? We are all curious now.
Yeah, I want to know to.
I do to.
Yes, do tell.
The pressure is on. Where does The MinusCar Project worship.
Many of the anonymous comments above are my own.
More than one of the comments are from people who by now should really know better than to expect a strait answer to an anonymous question...even if it's posted under the guise of being carless.
I suspect one of the anonymous comments is truth...and was posted without expectation.
And finally, much respect to the PeddlinShutterbug.
And the answer is...I refer you to comment #5.
Hey Dan! I saw your name in print in the new Geez Magazine today. Very cool! What a great magazine.
(I haven't read your stuff...yet.)
Mr. M... does he or doesn't he? you say potato.....
well, i say kudos for Mr. M. at least he is humble enough to GO to church, instead of looking only to himself, wherein lies many of our problems in today's 'me-me' world. Religion for religion's sake? no, but God will not be standing at the proverbial pearly Gates picking and choosing between denominations.. me thinks we have much more in common than not!
I love you liberals. Your nonsense thinking is so easy to refute, its just laughable. So keep on following your crazy ideas and missing out on the good life by not using your car. I should start a pluscar site, except that all those lovely soccer moms have better things to do, like living the life. I love all those SUV's and minivans at my church. There are very few cars (and no bikes) there on sundays. And those good folks there are hearing the truth and following the Word. BigSUV
Thanks for your opinion anon.
“I love you liberals.” – I love you too. Thanks.
I’m thinking “carless” (don’t be fooled by the moniker) and peddlinshutterbug won’t appreciate being in that group.
I’m not sure /kt and “The Crossing” anonymous guy appreciate the categorization either, but I don't know for sure. When there's 37 years worth of relationship in play categories of liberal and conservative aren't important.
“Your nonsense thinking is so easy to refute, its just laughable.” – I don't think I've ever claimed differently. I’m glad you can laugh about it.
“So keep on following your crazy ideas and missing out on the good life by not using your car.” – ah, an incredibly liberal notion, that the good life somehow equates to car usage.
“I should start a pluscar site” – A stunningly brilliant idea. The pluscar domain is already taken. pluscar.blogspot.com is still available…oops, I beat you to it. Back in August when I was writing about Pat Robertson I invited a reader to start pluscar.com. Obviously our great minds think alike. I see that was an anonymous commenter too. Was it you? Oh, nope you took July and August off from visiting and missed the suggestion. Bummer for you, it must have been a busy summer at work.
“all those lovely soccer moms have better things to do” – oops, did I say you took July and August off. That implies you visited before and you’ve visited since. It might even imply you’ve visited every month except for those two. Only you know for sure though. I appreciate your use of the word “those.”
“I love all those SUV's and minivans at my church. There are very few cars (and no bikes) there on sundays.” – I appreciate your use of the word “love.”
“And those good folks there are hearing the truth and following the Word.” – I appreciate your use of the word “those.”
Thanks for reading anon.
Heh heh. Heh heh. What a response Mr. M. I bet you smiled big when you got that pluscar blog name. I love it. Those love it. love/those. Heh heh. Heh heh.
Interesting..i suppose i'm 'liberal' when i ride my bike and i'm 'conservative' when i drive my car? hmmm.. i wonder where i fit in when i WALK. i do THAT too anon.. and i think that if Jesus rode a donkey, what would that make HIM? i didn't realize one's mode of transportation had such ominous connotations.... what about simply being a good steward to our selves and to the creation given us? shame on you anon. get a bike
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